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FX Posts: 2599/3775 |
The difference with Libby is that he was pardoned from doing something that Cheny told him to do. |
The Accidental Protege Posts: 2276/2641 |
Heh...
Just read this on Moby's journal. Source Originally posted by Moby *shrug* Just thought I'd point it out. |
geeogree Posts: 214/246 |
Libby wasn't pardoned. He's just not going to jail. He is still guilty of the things he did. |
FX Posts: 2598/3775 |
The point about Libby being pardoned isn't because of what Libby did, but because Bush told him to do it, then just decided to free him. Bush thinks he can do anything.
And do you even know who Keith Olberman is? |
Elara Posts: 4489/9736 |
Terrorists need to be fought in Iraq rather than America? Before we invaded Iraq the terrorists that we were fighting were all in Afghanistan. Bush lied or was lied to in order to invade Iraq and that has been proven.
I think the reference to James Madison was rather poignant, because that is what happened in this case. Libby deserved to go to prison, he should not have been pardoned or had his sentence commuted. |
Astrophel Posts: 1794/2724 |
Originally posted by Vulkar Is the insulting and grammatical pedantry really needed? No. No it isn't. And using it, even in response to a person who does not and probably will never post here will, based on my past experiences, sour the mood of those in this thread, turning it into yet another shit-filled dramafest. Let's keep that from happening, k? |
Lord Vulkas Mormonus Posts: 2371/4541 |
This guy sounds like he watches too match biased news, and knows too little. He has a couple good points, but most of it is just false, or badly misinterpreted.
*cracks knuckles* I haven't had a good George Bush debate in a while, so I'm going to go through this guys article, point by point. What fun.
Interesting name, scooter. However, this guy hasn't said anything of worth yet, so I'll let it go on.
Oooh, he's going all emotional...if it wasn't all so lame I might have shed a tear...
I still hear people talking about that, they never willingly lowered their voices, they just eventually gave up. I still hear about it all the time.
I'd be an idiot to think that that was good, but I want to to remember this point, especially the part about how he did it before the appeals process had been complete.
That's not very nice to the republican party...anyone who you don't lie about? Also, I fail to see what's that important about this time...
No, you have, by making a small pardon into a huge deal that could destroy the entire nation. He made the stain, you created the oil spill. Wait...are stains and oil spills even that related?
No...republicans don't benefit from the destruction of the enviroment. In fact, President Bush has authorized thousands of dollars to go to car companies to stop oil feuled vehicles, or at least to create a substitute. On a side note, the reason gas prices are so high is because the democrats tried to tax the oil companies, thus making THEM benefit more from the oil.
Yeah, said the democrats who authorized the ability for companies to take away land from anyone, assuming it could generate more taxes. Freaking hypocrite.
You find me the republican that swore that laws won't be enforced before being put into office, and I'll show you a pig with wings. Seriously, I will.
And yet, with war then there is less oil, because Iraq is no longer a good source of it. So, the republicans benefit from having oil, and yet benefit from not? Strange...
I think I already adressed this, way to repeat yourself.
Pretty obvious he laid us in war, it would hardly be a war if we weren't warring now, would it?
Actually, if you bother to LISTEN to the news, you'd realize that he openly said, repeatedly, that there isn't a direct connection, even though there was an Iraqi representative who was around during the planning of 9/11. He was caught on film. Way to read the official government documents before giving yourself an opinion.
I never heard of this, so I'll argue this point after a bit of research. Look forward to it later.
And I accuse you of insulting their memory. We had to go to Iraq, we could either fight the terrorists in America, or in Iraq. Would you rather have US troopers going around shooting here in America, or in a less populated area that is full of terrorists who have quite clearly stated they wantus to be dead. We can fight Al Qaeda here, or there. Pick your battlefield. Also, relative to other wars, 3,586 is really a small number. Look at the WWII numbers, or even the Civil War.
My uncle, and both my grandfathers have a lot of information on this. There are actually a heck of a lot of terrorist attempts every day in America. The Patriot act helps the USA to prevent them. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't mind someone listening to my phone calls if it meant I would save people's lives.
Yeah, he terrorizes fools like you who don't know what they're talking about, and publis articles that are little more than propoganda.
... ... I accuse you of not examining the terrorist attempt on America, especially 9/11. I think that Bush has more to think about than getting reelected. Oh wait...he doesn't need to worry about THAT either.
I still don't know where people get all this. Cheney is awesome. All the rest of his little article is talking about how much he wants Bush to resign. I think I covered all the major points. So, I'm going to have to ask, other than the pardon of one of Bush's friends, is there really anything he's done badly? The only bad thing he did was pardon someone. I've adressed every other issue here with a resonable explanation, and I have yet to see Bush do much that I actually disagree with. Also, Rogue, I don't disagree with Bush vetoing the bill about the troops leaving. We leave now, and the lives of those 3586 all go to waste. Nothing happens. I'll post some reports on what's REALLY going on in Iraq soon. Just realize that there is a lot more than car bombings, and that sort of thing. |
Rogue Posts: 3459/11918 |
Really I can't help but echo his regard. I've given Bush way too many chances in my book, but the Libby issue sort of pushed me over the edge with him (though I already was pissed that when Senate was passing a deadline on the troop surge in Iraq and Bush exclaimed that no matter what he was going to veto it).
While loyalty is a wonderful trait, I just can't uphold it for a president in whom I've lost complete confidence. |
FX Posts: 2573/3775 |
Keith Olbermann explains why Bush and Cheny should resign.
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