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Genocyber Female Zombie Since: 08-14-04 From: Passing through the stars Since last post: 5905 days Last activity: 5113 days |
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It would be great to know if anyone no the board is either a practincing or at least once was a satanist, i have been one for about 2 years now it has been very good to me. | |||
The Accidental Protege Iggy Koopa I\"m your accidental protege... The gift, the blood, the thrownaway...\" Since: 03-08-05 From: Marching on the city of Southern Cross Since last post: 1144 days Last activity: 1144 days |
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I've been interested for the past coupla months, but never really took up the commitment. I don't thin I'm ready or wanting a religion at this point in my life. | |||
Elara Divine Mamkute Dark Elf Goddess Chaos Imp Penguins Fan Ms. Invisable Since: 08-15-04 From: Ferelden Since last post: 78 days Last activity: 78 days |
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Not one, however I have researched it. I'm Wiccan, so knowing about the differences has kinda become necessary when dealing with the more ignorant members of society. I take it you know of what I speak? | |||
Genocyber Female Zombie Since: 08-14-04 From: Passing through the stars Since last post: 5905 days Last activity: 5113 days |
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you have no idea....if you are not educated or have no interest in infromaiton gathering everyone just falls into the "YOUR GOING TO HELL" rampage and it is very annoying sometimes. My fiance is wiccan so i understand some of what going on there too, though i have not done as much research on wicca as i would like. | |||
Evo Red Super Koopa Watching you fall brings joy to my heart.... Since: 08-16-04 From: Oregon Since last post: 6087 days Last activity: 6028 days |
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Mm... never looked into it.. I looove animals, and I was always under the impression that Satanists... like sacrificed and hurt things.
But if your fiance is Wiccan... doesn't seem to fit. I'm not inot the whole religios thing, so I have this objectified view of everything. Satanism= sacrificing innocent things for your own sick pleasure Wiccan = religion run by females that empowers MOTHER earth and the GODDESS and all that has a vagina... Mormoms ride around on bikes in tuxedos and have crazy delusions about when you go to heavin... You know what, I'll leave it at that. I know my views aren't accurate, but I'm not really into learning about any of them. |
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The Accidental Protege Iggy Koopa I\"m your accidental protege... The gift, the blood, the thrownaway...\" Since: 03-08-05 From: Marching on the city of Southern Cross Since last post: 1144 days Last activity: 1144 days |
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You don't sacrifice anything in Satanism. It's not so much an evil conjuration of the incarnate Antichrist, so much as it is a self fulfilling religion.
From what I understand, it requires nothing of you that is illegal or harmful to any living thing. It's more or less just a selfish religion, putting yourself before anyone else. If my sources are correct, that is. |
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Lord Vulkas Mormonus Vile High Xeodent of Xeomerica. Since: 10-29-04 From: North Carolina, United States. World, Sol System, milky way Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 73 days |
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Originally posted by Evo But...we like our bikes... Anyway, as a rule, I disapprove of the religion at hand. Putting one's self before anyone else isn't moral lifestyle. Also, if only because of what they're called, I'm going to have to disapprove of them. They try and mock christianity with that name, and I disapprove of any religioon that tries to mock another. |
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The Accidental Protege Iggy Koopa I\"m your accidental protege... The gift, the blood, the thrownaway...\" Since: 03-08-05 From: Marching on the city of Southern Cross Since last post: 1144 days Last activity: 1144 days |
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See, that's why I stay atheist.
Because I kinda hate religion. All it is is a form of control, restricting how you live. I just choose to stay out of the whole thing completely now. |
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Cairoi This isn't about you and your loud mouth, This is about me and my fucking beard. Since: 08-29-04 From: PA Since last post: 4827 days Last activity: 4451 days |
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Clockworkz was right about Satanism, it is basically a proclamation that desires are natural and should not be considered immoral. There is NO sacrificing or anything like that, that's a very popular and very wrong conception.
Almost every religion mocks others, Vulkar. Christians go on holy crusades, Islams have jihads...Religion is such a heated source of argument, its insane. |
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Siobhan. Red Paragoomba Since: 02-15-07 From: Boston Since last post: 6242 days Last activity: 5282 days |
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Satanism isn't a religion, it's a philosophy. It leaves the unknown open to interpretation. Many Satanists are atheist, where at the same time it's possible to be a Satanist Christian. I've been a Satanist for a while now. I practice magic as well, but my beliefs are different than Wiccan or Pagan. I've studied a lot about religion and philosophy and developed my own beliefs. It's nice.
But yeah, Satanism is about indulging, worshipping your SELF as the most important thing in your life. It goes back to instinct, and personally, I think it's a great way to be. Why feel guilty about something that's a natural part of you? And, may I add, it's really not that Satanists don't care for others and are completely selfish. There are Satanic rules which are completely sensible guidelines for the most part to live by, such as remembering the fact that children are innocent and should never be harmed, and that we have to remember that humans are animals, too, and can often be the most dangerous. There's not much evil about it. It doesn't condone rape or abuse; the fifth rule is that "you shall not make sexual advances unless given the mating signal". Satanism I think is the most empowering philosophy. It's very empowering to women if you want it to be! La Vey wrote a book about the Satanic Witch and how she can use her sexuality and female power to create and manifest magic. I'm a very sexually open person and I'm all for empowering women. I read the tarot and pray to "goddess" to help my tuition with every reading. I believe there is a higher force, but I won't elaborate on my beliefs except for saying I don't see it as simply a male or a female. Living the satanic lifestyle is an accepting and peaceful way to live, regardless of what many think. And it's true, the name Satanism is for pure shock factor. Satan is the best friend the Church has ever had. I see Christianity as having many cult-like factors, like gaining believers out of fear (of Satan and sin). It encourages us to think of human things as dirty things, and is often sexist towards women. There are laws against healthy parts of our lives such as masturbation and menstruation, saying that they are filthy and sinful. It's retarded, imo. (Last edited by cawn Q byne on 03-03-07 10:59 PM) |
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Evo Red Super Koopa Watching you fall brings joy to my heart.... Since: 08-16-04 From: Oregon Since last post: 6087 days Last activity: 6028 days |
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Originally posted by cawn Q byne Great, jsut what america needs... more women on a fucking power trip. I'm female, but I think women have gone overboard. They want equality, but instead, they make it so they get better EVERYTHING... As far as Satanism... Originally posted by Clockworkz Hmm... I knew it! my mom wasn't wiccan, she was Satanist!! I think my mother is the reason I don't care for religion. Agnostic, here. Not so much Athiest. I couldn't stand being satanist.. I'm a VERY un-selfish person. I hate recieving ANYTHING... and putting myself before others. O.O I think I'd go insane with guilt. |
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Siobhan. Red Paragoomba Since: 02-15-07 From: Boston Since last post: 6242 days Last activity: 5282 days |
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Originally posted by EvoOriginally posted by cawn Q byne It's not all about being selfish, lol... And I agree with you that there are feminazis, but just as many guys are still jackasses. People don't understand how to create equality. We think it's made by compensating for in the past when we've been hurt, when really we should just get over it and be thankful for the rights we have now. The same thing goes with race. I find what you said kind of offensive, because I don't think you understood what I was trying to say. It's an empowering religion to ANYONE, it's a religion that builds self confidence, which, despite what our twisted world may think today, is a HEALTHY thing to have. Too many people are unhappy with theirselves for stupid reasons that consumers and peers drill into their heads, anyway, both men AND women. I was trying to say that it can help you accept yourself instead of always being critical of everything you do, and that's how it's empowering....not that it's like, girls rule, boys drool. Also, people are jumping to crazy conclusions about the degree of "selfishness" in Satanism. I am a Satanist and that doesn't mean I don't love to give gifts to people, or that I wouldn't take a bullet for my mother or my best friends. I surround myself with people that make me happy instead of friends that hurt me. "IV. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates!" (Nine Satanic Statements) If someone hurts me, I'll do what's best for me, whether that be punishing them by taking action and doing something to them or punishing them by pushing them out of my life. "V. Satan represents vengeance, instead of turning the other cheek!" (Nine Satanic Statements) I believe that the purpose of life is to enjoy it, rather than to spend it groveling or begging or having faith that a god that may or may not be there has control over my life. "I. Satan represents indulgence, instead of abstinence!" "II. Satan represents vital existence, instead of spiritual pipe dreams!" (Nine Satanic Statements) I believe that natural things that humans feel and do aren't dirty or sinful, but beautiful. "VIII. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!" (Nine Satanic Statements) I believe that within myself, and the power of thought, I can create magic, I can make anything I want happen. "VII. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have used it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained." (Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth) Satanism does not condone murder, theft, or rape, like I said. "V. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal." "VI. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the person and he cries out to be relieved." "IX. Do not harm little children." "X. Do not kill non-human animals unless attacked or for your food." (in drastic situations). (Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth) Now, let's take a look at an important Satanic Sin, where we can see that Satanism ISN'T all selfish lol... BTW, the difference between these sins and the sins of say, Christianity, are that these sins are things that can be avoided with a teensy bit of work, while a lot of Christian sins are extremely difficult or impossible for a human to not commit. "Counterproductive Pride That first word is important. Pride is great up to the point you begin to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The rule of Satanism is: if it works for you, great. When it stops working for you, when you've painted yourself into a corner and the only way out is to say, "I'm sorry, I made a mistake, I wish we could compromise somehow," then do it." If you want to learn more you can read the Satanic Bible or visit satanism101.com It really sucks that you guys all consider it such a negative philosophy, because it's very interesting, and it's not something you have to follow down to the bone or that has to change your religion at all. You can remain whatever religion you are and be a Satanist. Satanism is a guideline that if you don't want to, you don't have to follow all of, though most of the statements and ideas you are PROBABLY ALREADY following in every day life anyway. So please, no more ignorance, guys. It's totally hurting my feelings. (Last edited by cawn Q byne on 03-04-07 01:17 PM) |
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Evo Red Super Koopa Watching you fall brings joy to my heart.... Since: 08-16-04 From: Oregon Since last post: 6087 days Last activity: 6028 days |
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Hmm, no, I wasn't trying to hurt anyone. like I stated in my first post, I have a very objectified view of all religions.
Also, I did catch that you stated Satanism is the most empowering religion... what caught me was the line right after that, specifically marketed toward women. I think that going on about this here is pointless, and perhaps I should create a separate debate on this... when I'm un-lazy. I am interested in all religions, however not to follow them. Hence the first post I put here.. wasn't very self-explanitory, but it was pretty much a "tell me more" sort of thing. I'm sorry you got your feelings hurt, but if we're talking about any type of religion, it should be expected. Except for Wiccan. I won't go there. They scare me. (sorry Elara!) |
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Bitmap #1 Enhancement Shaman US Ravenholdt Since: 09-05-04 From: His Laughin' Place Since last post: 4535 days Last activity: 4529 days |
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Originally posted by Cairoi Standing as a Christian, I must have to point something out here. I agree, we Christians can be retarded at times. We Judge, poke our noses into something we shouldent, and even turn away our heads on religions that oppose or work against God. But then there are others, like me, who sit back and let Nature take its course. I'm not one to say anything about your life. But it says in the bible that God isn't responsible for the people in this world (Coming from a Christian, thats how I think.). But about converting others, its our job, and we are told to do so. But it also says in the Bible to respect one's home and value. I take that Value as ones moral in life...Or his or her purpose. Moral of this post. Not ALL Christians go on Holy Crusades. Its just some people see Christianity different than others. I respect all aspects of everyone's outlook on life and meaning. Now about the thread topic- I dont believe in Satanism. From what I have read, its mostly about Personal Gain, Revenge, and self-Moral. and I too believe that Satanism is just a researched "Cult" so to speak. According to LaVey's book. "The Satanic Bible", there were many key elements I never found plausable. Like the Bible being a soft Porn? Not to mention a Verse in there saying from Lucifer's book. "I am my own God". Not to mention "The result, of course, is to view oneself as the most important of all beings, and to adopt an unapologetically self-centered view of the world and course of action."... Dosent that kinda contradict itself in a way? |
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Elara Divine Mamkute Dark Elf Goddess Chaos Imp Penguins Fan Ms. Invisable Since: 08-15-04 From: Ferelden Since last post: 78 days Last activity: 78 days |
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Don't feel bad Evo, some Wiccans scare me too... most of the femnazis actually seem to pop up in Wicca more than any other religion. | |||
Cairoi This isn't about you and your loud mouth, This is about me and my fucking beard. Since: 08-29-04 From: PA Since last post: 4827 days Last activity: 4451 days |
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Nagis, while I know that not all Christians are the crusading type, I think that you should not call Satanism a cult as it has no hierarchy.
"In religion and sociology, a cult is a term designating a cohesive group of people (sometimes a relatively small and recently founded religious movement, sometimes numbering in the hundreds of thousands) devoted to beliefs or practices that the surrounding culture or society considers to be far outside the mainstream, sometimes reaching the point of a taboo." Satanists are not taboo at all, prioritizing oneself is something that all humans do at one point or another. Why do you think billionaires are idolized? The only thing that makes it so at all "cultish" is the name. And that is nothing but shock factor, essentially. The philosophy shouldn't really have such a negative connonation in my opinion, because my girlfriend is one and she is the kindest, sweetest person I've ever met in my life. She's gone far out of her way to lavish me with gifts that were great and expensive, but she still follows these beliefs. Maybe there are some crazy Satanists out there, but there are extremists of EVERY religion, and they should not be judged as the representative of the mainstream. Don't judge, lest ye be judged. Satanism is one choice for beliefs, and so is Christianity and Wicca. I don't know what I am, but I will defend anyone's beliefs, and no one has the right to tell them they are immoral or wrong. Or else. XD |
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Lord Vulkas Mormonus Vile High Xeodent of Xeomerica. Since: 10-29-04 From: North Carolina, United States. World, Sol System, milky way Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 73 days |
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Certainly, all humans prioritize themselves, at one point or anothr, Cairoi, but that doesn't mean that it's right. Morality should not be defined by what ohers think of you, it should not be comparitive, it simply should be.
Anyway, as far as the rules of Satanism that Cawn pointed out, my religion is of course setting themselves against all of those except for the ones in the last bit. See, I believe that you should be the third on your list of priorities. First should be God, then comes other people(assuming that they aren't threatening your life, belongings, or property), and finally there comes you. I believe that sacrificing your life to save another's, is well worth the trouble. Satanism would say that you take priority. Also, life is to be enjoyed, and lived, with no time for religion or other people? That sounds like eat drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die. I couldn't live without having control over myself, or helping other people. Sorry if I offended anyone here, I didn't intend to be overly blunt through my critisizing. |
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Elara Divine Mamkute Dark Elf Goddess Chaos Imp Penguins Fan Ms. Invisable Since: 08-15-04 From: Ferelden Since last post: 78 days Last activity: 78 days |
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The crazy Satanists usually aren't even Satanists, just little wannabes that think "evil" is cool and that to be a Satanist you must sacrifice cats or fuck the dead or something. Yes, I've met people like that... it's very sad.
But yeah, last year the Pagan club that I was in had a panel discussion on religion that included a Christian minister, a Native American spiritualist, and (at the last moment) a card carrying member of the Church of Satan. We'd been looking for one for two years, finding either crazies or people not willing to talk; and this guy just walked up to us 10 minutes before the panel began. Very nice guy. |
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Evo Red Super Koopa Watching you fall brings joy to my heart.... Since: 08-16-04 From: Oregon Since last post: 6087 days Last activity: 6028 days |
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Originally posted by Vulkar |
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Siobhan. Red Paragoomba Since: 02-15-07 From: Boston Since last post: 6242 days Last activity: 5282 days |
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Originally posted by EvoOriginally posted by Vulkar |
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